Admin Module

[Jon Lusky]

I'm partial to tethereal/tshark myself...


-----Original Message-----
From: hybrid-bounces at lists.ircd-hybrid.org [mailto:hybrid-bounces at lists.ircd-hybrid.org] On Behalf Of Ariel Biener
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:59 AM
To: hybrid at lists.ircd-hybrid.org
Subject: Re: Admin Module

On Tuesday, 14 בOctober 2008 14:59, Joan Touzet wrote:
> This has been a matter of debate for a very long time.
>
> Such a logging module has never been (and probably never will be)
> included with ircd-hybrid because, well, it makes the temptation to
> act immorally / illegally much higher.
>
> That said, such a logging module would not be difficult to write if
> you know what you're doing. You can find an obsolete and incomplete
> attempt at this in the old ircd module archive here:
> http://www.wohmart.com/ircd/pub/hybrid/4-Hackops/logging/ This diff
> probably will *not* work without modification.

One can easily ltrace or strace the IRCD process and see everything
that is going on, if it's a must. If law enforcement wants to wire-tap, they
don't need your module for that, they can easily ask the ISP for cooperation,
so lets not try to invent reasons for a spy module.

--Ariel
>
> No, I won't help you to get it working.
>
> Best regards,
> Joan
> ---
> Joan Touzet  |  joant at ieee.org  |  wohali at efnet
>
> 2008/10/13 Wouter Snels <nospam at ofloo.org>:
> > true but, what is better not being able to run anything because you are
> > not able to comply with the law, just because it's not available, or
> > risking system administrators might abuse this because it's available.
> >
> > one could write such a module and add a line to the connect when the
> > module is loaded telling users that chat sessions might be monitored, ..
> >
> > Regards, ..
> >
> > Martin J. Green schreef:
> >> It may also be illegal in some countries :)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: hybrid-bounces at lists.ircd-hybrid.org
> >> [mailto:hybrid-bounces at lists.ircd-hybrid.org] On Behalf Of Wouter Snels
> >> Sent: 12 October 2008 19:12
> >> To: General IRCD-Hybrid Discussion
> >> Subject: Re: Admin Module
> >>
> >> Though in some countries it's obligated to monitor chat sessions to
> >> avoid kiddy porn, .. ! I can verry wel understand the demand for this
> >> kind of module, ..
> >>
> >> Regards, ..
> >>
> >> Robert Brockway schreef:
> >>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, IRC.US.COM Administration wrote:
> >>>> as immoral as it is.. it 'can' be done. granted, it may be your server
> >>>> but
> >>>> unless they know you are doing it or even having it stated so in the
> >>>> motd..
> >>>> well, i wouldn't want to rest on a server that monitors my 'private'
> >>>> conversations. :)
> >>>
> >>> It may not be immoral.  Companies running internal IRC networks are
> >>> often interested in this feature from an 'information capture' point of
> >>> view[1].
> >>>
> >>> So I what I'm saying is there is thin wedge where this is legitimate ;)
> >>>
> >>> Of course morality (and maybe legaility) will require that this is
> >>> stated upfront.  I was asked about this recently by a company and
> >>> recommended that they _not_ do it as not desirable for some corporate
> >>> information to be transparently logged by a 3rd party (the sysadmins).
> >>>
> >>> [1] I've also seen them like it due to a desire to check up on staff :(
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Rob
> >>>
> >>>> Administrator of IRC.US.COM
> >>>> Maxaemillion S. DeMorrow
> >>>> ( 937 ) 838 - 0242
> >>>> Nickname: msd
> >>>> "The All American IRC Network"
> >>>> Http://www.irc.us.com
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "wellex" <wellex at freeirc.org>
> >>>> To: <hybrid at lists.ircd-hybrid.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:29 am
> >>>> Subject: Admin Module
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>> can admin spy user private message ? anyone have module to spy user
> >>>>
> >>>> private
> >>>>
> >>>>> message or how to ?
> >>>>> thank you
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> weliyanto a.k.a wellex
> >>>>> freeirc project
> >>>>> Indonesia - SEA (South East Asia)

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 Ariel Biener
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